Hit by Maelstrom with Obsidian Flesh up? - Guild Wars Forums

Numa Pompilius · Sep 08, 2008, 11:03 AM // 11:03

I was going to solo-run my new elementalist from THK to grotto, and I loaded up with obsidian flesh to get past ice imps. However, even with OF up they could cast Maelstrom on my ele. That shouldn't be possible, right?

I wasn't expecting any problems so I was using the standard vaettir farming build: OgVEMKGJz4I91GfVe4SwAkNWiA

psycore · Sep 08, 2008, 11:28 AM // 11:28

Well according to maelstroms description - you create a maelstrom at the target foe's location.

I guess they were not targeting you with a direct spell but rather using you as a marker to designate a location for maelstrom to appear.

-edit-
no actually that doesn't make any sense to me either lol

Hyper.nl · Sep 08, 2008, 11:36 AM // 11:36

Obsidian Flesh only blocks spells casted on you. If the spell was cast on anyone else and you get in it's area of effect, you get hit by it.

Rhamia Darigaz · Sep 08, 2008, 11:37 AM // 11:37

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Originally Posted by psycore

Well according to maelstroms description - you create a maelstrom at the target foe's location.

I guess they were not targeting you with a direct spell but rather using you as a marker to designate a location for maelstrom to appear.

non targeting huh?
@OP:maelstrom does need to target you to be cast on you. if you got hit by it you were in the aoe of the spell from when it was cast on something else or obsidian flesh wasn't up.

Da Rk Bl Ad E · Sep 08, 2008, 01:15 PM // 13:15

This usually happens because of someone else being near you which ends up in you catching some of the aoe damage aswell

Sindy · Sep 08, 2008, 01:35 PM // 13:35

Well, you said you were solo-ing, so i'm going to assume you weren't bringing any henchies or heroes to get targeted. You said it was a new ele...you didn't use that new fire imp or w/e, right?

Only thing I can think of (assuming you did keep obby up) is any pets in the area? I don't know the run real well, but if you damage any of the green tamable creatures out there, they could become a target for the imps.

FengShuiDove · Sep 08, 2008, 02:46 PM // 14:46

Should block Maelstrom. Perhaps you ran through just after one of those battles between monsters in the area. Check to see if there are any of those groups that will fight each other... your timing would have to be ridiculously bad but it could happen I suppose.

I know Ob Flesh and SF stop Maelstrom, as it has to have an initial foe to target at which to create the AoE. So either something was nearby or you walked into the immediate aftermath of a monster battle.

Striken7 · Sep 08, 2008, 03:55 PM // 15:55

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So either something was nearby or you walked into the immediate aftermath of a monster battle.

And don't forget, Obsidian Flesh might have simply been down for a couple seconds. Seems the most likely of the options.

Earth · Sep 08, 2008, 04:02 PM // 16:02

Okay if you read Maelstrom's description it says: Create a Maelstrom at target foe's location.

So in essence it doesn't target the player, it targets the area around the player. It's the same with firestorm afaik.

So ya, seeing how it doesn't target the player itself Obsidian Flesh doesn't block it.

poasiods · Sep 08, 2008, 04:38 PM // 16:38

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Originally Posted by Earth

Okay if you read Maelstrom's description it says: Create a Maelstrom at target foe's location.

So in essence it doesn't target the player, it targets the area around the player. It's the same with firestorm afaik.

So ya, seeing how it doesn't target the player itself Obsidian Flesh doesn't block it.

Maelstrom and Fire Storm both need a target to be casted. Obsidian Flesh prevents a player from being targeted by spells. While Obsidian Flesh cannot block Maelstrom which has already been cast in the player's location, it prevents any Maelstrom or Firestorm from being casted on the player.

Earth · Sep 08, 2008, 04:48 PM // 16:48

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Originally Posted by poasiods

Maelstrom and Fire Storm both need a target to be casted. Obsidian Flesh prevents a player from being targeted by spells. While Obsidian Flesh cannot block Maelstrom which has already been cast in the player's location, it prevents any Maelstrom or Firestorm from being casted on the player.

It's not casted ON the player, it's casted on the GROUND the player is at. It merely uses the player as an indication for where it should go

Or something. It's not a bug or anything, just can't explain it very well.

ShoGunTheOne · Sep 08, 2008, 04:54 PM // 16:54

to Earth:
it doesn't work like that
if you've ever played ele, you'll know that you still need to target a enemy to cast it on him, be it a AoE or normal spell

to OP:
they've probibly targeted a neutral pet, a hero/hench, or when your obby flesh is off
given that Maelstrom's casting time is 2 seconds, it is not very possible as Obsidian Flesh is 1 second casting time so it would be up before they could finish casting

Earth · Sep 08, 2008, 05:04 PM // 17:04

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Originally Posted by ShoGunTheOne

to Earth:
it doesn't work like that
if you've ever played ele, you'll know that you still need to target a enemy to cast it on him, be it a AoE or normal spell

That's exactly what I'm not saying, but I'm not sure how I can explain it any better. Too tired

Pretty sure I'm right though.

snaek · Sep 08, 2008, 05:18 PM // 17:18

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Originally Posted by Earth

That's exactly what I'm not saying, but I'm not sure how I can explain it any better. Too tired

Pretty sure I'm right though.

i think ur tryin to get at the fact that things like [glyph of immolation] doesnt work wit aoe spells since they dun "target a foe directly"

however, those rules do not apply to [obsidian flesh] [spell breaker] or [shadow form] afaik

too lazy to test
and dun care nuff to really find out

but im 99% sure, maelstrom will -not- cast on a target for these enchants

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Originally Posted by ShoGunTheOne

to Earth:
it doesn't work like that
if you've ever played ele, you'll know that you still need to target a enemy to cast it on him, be it a AoE or normal spell

this guy is rite

the spell needs a target to be cast
but the dmg is not "target dmg"
if that makes sense

which i think is why it wont work wit [glyph of immolation]
it needs "target dmg" not "target cast"

only pbaoe will go thru these enchants (point blank aoe)
things like [aftershock] [flame djinn's haste] etc

Rhamia Darigaz · Sep 08, 2008, 08:05 PM // 20:05

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Originally Posted by Earth

Okay if you read Maelstrom's description it says: Create a Maelstrom at target foe's location.

So in essence it doesn't target the player, it targets the area around the player. It's the same with firestorm afaik.

So ya, seeing how it doesn't target the player itself Obsidian Flesh doesn't block it.

think of it this way (because it does target the player, testing will show this) :
the spell targets the player. one property of this player is his location. maelstrom reads the location property of the target at the time the spell finishes casting and creates an area of effect on that spot.
people seem to be confusing "target foe's location" to mean "target location occupied by the foe you have selected but who isn't this spell's target". "target foe's location" literally means the location occupied by the foe you target. i don't see why this confusion arises but it certainly does. :/

joshuarodger · Sep 08, 2008, 08:14 PM // 20:14

if the spell description says "target", that spell will fail if the target has Obs Flesh or a similar skill in effect. all hostile spells need a target unless they are PBAoE like [[aftershock]. this is why a perma obs flesh/SF ele or sin can successfully kill coldfire nights, which have [[maelstrom] as one of their skills.

the thing about going anywhere in southern shiverpeaks is that the different species of foes are hostile to each other. so if there were any tengu, trolls, grawl, or anything else (sorry i don't really remember the area very well) around you, the ice imp can target that grawl, for instance, but since [[maelstrom] is AoE, you will still get hit by it if you are within the area of its effect.

Scythe O F Glory · Sep 08, 2008, 09:51 PM // 21:51

My only explanation would be a monster casted maelstrom on another monster, and you were in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Guna · Sep 09, 2008, 01:38 AM // 01:38

I know why you got hit by maelstrom. i get hit sometimes too

the thing is that you use ''Obsidian Flame + other skills + glyph + obsidian flame''

you got hit cuz obsidian flesh ended when you were recasting it. after you casted it you were already a target of maelstrom so the only thing you can do is just move out of it.

i bet thats what went wrong cuz sometimes it happens to me

hope you understood my english kinda sucks lol

TheOrangeFalcon · Sep 09, 2008, 01:46 AM // 01:46

My only guess is that they cast it on the King or one of the other dwarves while next to you.

Skyy High · Sep 09, 2008, 02:48 AM // 02:48

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Originally Posted by Guna

you got hit cuz obsidian flesh ended when you were recasting it. after you casted it you were already a target of maelstrom so the only thing you can do is just move out of it.

This. Maelstrom was cast on you when your OF dropped, you didn't notice (perhaps the first hit hadn't landed yet, there is a slight delay between the casting of Maelstrom and the time the first hit lands), and your OF got interrupted.

The idea that Maelstrom and other AoE spells don't target the player is just wrong, period.

Sep 08, 2008, 11:03 AM // 11:03	#1
Numa Pompilius Grotto Attendant Join Date: May 2005 Location: At an Insit.. Intis... a house. Guild: Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF] Profession: W/Me	Hit by Maelstrom with Obsidian Flesh up? I was going to solo-run my new elementalist from THK to grotto, and I loaded up with obsidian flesh to get past ice imps. However, even with OF up they could cast Maelstrom on my ele. That shouldn't be possible, right? I wasn't expecting any problems so I was using the standard vaettir farming build: OgVEMKGJz4I91GfVe4SwAkNWiA

Sep 08, 2008, 11:28 AM // 11:28	#2
psycore Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005	Well according to maelstroms description - you create a maelstrom at the target foe's location. I guess they were not targeting you with a direct spell but rather using you as a marker to designate a location for maelstrom to appear. -edit- no actually that doesn't make any sense to me either lol Last edited by psycore; Sep 08, 2008 at 11:47 AM // 11:47..

Sep 08, 2008, 08:14 PM // 20:14	#16
joshuarodger Unbanned Join Date: Jan 2008 Guild: Trinity of the Ascended [ToA] -- IGN: Swirly Profession: Mo/	if the spell description says "target", that spell will fail if the target has Obs Flesh or a similar skill in effect. all hostile spells need a target unless they are PBAoE like [[aftershock]. this is why a perma obs flesh/SF ele or sin can successfully kill coldfire nights, which have [[maelstrom] as one of their skills. the thing about going anywhere in southern shiverpeaks is that the different species of foes are hostile to each other. so if there were any tengu, trolls, grawl, or anything else (sorry i don't really remember the area very well) around you, the ice imp can target that grawl, for instance, but since [[maelstrom] is AoE, you will still get hit by it if you are within the area of its effect. Last edited by joshuarodger; Sep 08, 2008 at 10:50 PM // 22:50..

Sep 08, 2008, 11:36 AM // 11:36	#3
Hyper.nl Desert Nomad Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Defending Fort Aspenwood Profession: E/	Obsidian Flesh only blocks spells casted on you. If the spell was cast on anyone else and you get in it's area of effect, you get hit by it.

Sep 08, 2008, 01:15 PM // 13:15	#5
Da Rk Bl Ad E Krytan Explorer Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Belfast - Northern Ireland Profession: D/W	This usually happens because of someone else being near you which ends up in you catching some of the aoe damage aswell

Sep 08, 2008, 01:35 PM // 13:35	#6
Sindy Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Apr 2007 Profession: E/	Well, you said you were solo-ing, so i'm going to assume you weren't bringing any henchies or heroes to get targeted. You said it was a new ele...you didn't use that new fire imp or w/e, right? Only thing I can think of (assuming you did keep obby up) is any pets in the area? I don't know the run real well, but if you damage any of the green tamable creatures out there, they could become a target for the imps.

Sep 08, 2008, 02:46 PM // 14:46	#7
FengShuiDove Forge Runner Join Date: Sep 2007 Guild: Trinity of the Ascended [ToA] Profession: A/	Should block Maelstrom. Perhaps you ran through just after one of those battles between monsters in the area. Check to see if there are any of those groups that will fight each other... your timing would have to be ridiculously bad but it could happen I suppose. I know Ob Flesh and SF stop Maelstrom, as it has to have an initial foe to target at which to create the AoE. So either something was nearby or you walked into the immediate aftermath of a monster battle.

Sep 08, 2008, 04:02 PM // 16:02	#9
Earth Always Outnumbered Join Date: Jul 2006	Okay if you read Maelstrom's description it says: Create a Maelstrom at target foe's location. So in essence it doesn't target the player, it targets the area around the player. It's the same with firestorm afaik. So ya, seeing how it doesn't target the player itself Obsidian Flesh doesn't block it.

Sep 08, 2008, 04:54 PM // 16:54	#12
ShoGunTheOne Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Undercity Guild: 泰瑞亚联盟 Profession: E/	to Earth: it doesn't work like that if you've ever played ele, you'll know that you still need to target a enemy to cast it on him, be it a AoE or normal spell to OP: they've probibly targeted a neutral pet, a hero/hench, or when your obby flesh is off given that Maelstrom's casting time is 2 seconds, it is not very possible as Obsidian Flesh is 1 second casting time so it would be up before they could finish casting

Sep 08, 2008, 09:51 PM // 21:51	#17
Scythe O F Glory Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2008 Location: New Jersey Guild: League of Elite [LoE] Profession: D/	My only explanation would be a monster casted maelstrom on another monster, and you were in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Sep 09, 2008, 01:38 AM // 01:38	#18
Guna Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Profession: W/	I know why you got hit by maelstrom. i get hit sometimes too the thing is that you use ''Obsidian Flame + other skills + glyph + obsidian flame'' you got hit cuz obsidian flesh ended when you were recasting it. after you casted it you were already a target of maelstrom so the only thing you can do is just move out of it. i bet thats what went wrong cuz sometimes it happens to me hope you understood my english kinda sucks lol

Sep 09, 2008, 01:46 AM // 01:46	#19
TheOrangeFalcon Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Cali Guild: Trinity of the Ascended[ToA] Profession: E/	My only guess is that they cast it on the King or one of the other dwarves while next to you.